previously published material -

[Gael Bage]

If a collection of haiku is displayed as with others in a public gallery, does this count as being previously publiished please ?

[chibi575]

The copyright guide is vague at best unless you have enough money to buy a good lawyer.

Generally, if you make lots of $$$ off what you write and don't plagarize your OK, but, see statement one.

I know that if someone say on facebook takes your work you can pretty much roast them on facebook if you catch them.

I know I feel obligated if I see such on facebook, I'll do a shout out on all my sites.

If you do use by accident or intent a pre-published as new work in the haiku community it may surface because the community is relatively small.  Then it may not for the same reason.

I doubt that contests that supply a monetary gain for your work may have time enough to find if this work is new when not, but, as I believe it impractical. 

Actually, I am most happy to feel that we as a whole are honorable, but, may be forgetful  ;D

ciao

[Gael Bage]

Chibi, thank you for your detailed reply but I am still not clear, perhaps my question lacked clarity, sorry. - if submissions are accepted for an anthology, a magazine or a book, clearly they are published.
However if submissions are requested and accepted to be hung on display in local public gallery or event, with each haiku poets bio several of their haiku - is it actually the same thing as being published ? Can we quote it as a publication ?

[AlanSummers]

Hi Gael,

You mean if your haiku are on physical display in a public area or an area open to the public that have never been published in a magazine, anthology, or printed feature in a newspaper etc...?

If so, I think only if they are photographed by the Press and published in a newspaper or glossy magazine, can they be considered published, otherwise they are unpublished work used in public event.

Public events where you use your haiku as examples is quite different to publications unless a newpaper or national (or local) glossy magazine print them.

Alan

[cat]

Hello, Gael,

I have absolutely no real idea what I'm talking about, just speculating . . .

Is exhibition/art the same as publication/writing?  If so, wouldn't an exhibit of haiku, since it's a public viewing, mean that the haiku were "published"?  (Someone who could probably sort this out would be a haiga artist/poet.)

I suppose two separate issues are:  Can the exhibited haiku be submitted to a journal for publication?  (Various editors have various viewpoints on what constitutes "publication".)  And, can one claim the exhibition as a publishing credit?  (I would say that would be okay as long as one listed them as "Exhibited at such-and-such a gallery" and not as "published".)

The one thing I do know is, if it were a haiku (or several) that I really liked, I would seriously consider whether or not I wanted to put them in an exhibition, or whether I'd want to hold onto them and submit them to a good journal.  And then I'd send them to the journal.

cat

[Gael Bage]

Thank you Alan, that clarifies it for me, here is the link that sparked the question

http://miriamswell.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/open-space-haiku-call-for-submissions/

submissions wanted
for traditional haiku -
Open Space

??? ???   ;D

[Gael Bage]

Sandra thank you for sharing your thoughts, mine were similar.

[AlanSummers]

Hi Gael

Yes I saw Miriam's post about this too. :-)

Firstly, because it's someone else's event and exhibition which will display the work and is specifically written for that event I would consider any work submitted as published.

I've organized dozens and dozens of live events and exhibitions, and they all have their different aspects.

One method I used that doubled up as an outdoor exhibition, and signage, was displaying several hundred of my haiku, and Karen Hoy's, on simple strips of typing paper to trees, shrubs, and bushes.

The wind and rain would delightfully help the narrow strips to deteriorate, but not before several hundred people would pause to read many of them.

I'd say 99 per cent were published but because of the brief life of these strips the 1 per cent would probabally be unpublished as they were not photographed for my my blog, or shown in newspapers etc...

[Gael Bage]

Oh, so does published include self-published ? I know many people do these days.

[AlanSummers]

Hi Gael ;-)

If you mean by self-published that you have produced your own book of poetry and sold or given those books to friends, family and the general public and maybe promoted the book online and or in the press etc then I'd say they are published.

Also individual poems in public exhibitions and newspapers including poetry corners, then they are published.
It's best as you produce more to have them published in magazines and/or online places such as tinywords.com; Herons Nest; haijinx; Notes from the Gean etc...

Are there other methods you have self-published that I may have overlooked? :-)

Alan

[chibi575]

Hi and Happy Holidays to everyone...

Ok, this may sound a little unorthodox and would not apply to everyone's aesthetics or situation, but, I usually forget most of the short poems I write.  In fact, (and I forget what master said) I just release them and go on.  Maybe it was from Mork from Ork  ::) "fly - be FREE!" (if so, thank you Robin Williams, incase there is a copyright on that).  ;D

Sorry, I know this is a serious topic... but, HO HO HO!

[Gael Bage]

To be honest Alan I have not self-published at all, I write other poetry too not just haiku, and have loads of work unpublished, I am a full time carer and have been for the last six years which is 24 x 7 day week and often nights too, my mother is heavily dependent and needs a nursing home on breaks not just a rest home. it leaves little time to pursue publishing goals I guess I have put it off thinking when I am no longer caring I can get organised....and time has slipped by.  Before taking on the caring role I had quite a few published, I know i should make time but it's easier said than done.  ;)  These days one is expected to get out and promote one's poetry, in the present economic situation there is very little money for respite breaks to enable me to do that, both brothers live abroad so there's no family support to hand either. Meanwhile I enjoy snatched moments to write when I sit down for a coffee break and when my mother is asleep. Thank you for your thoughtful suggestions. I hesitate in case a publisher wants more than I can realistically give at the moment, but perhaps my new year resolution should be to squeeze in getting some work published again.  :) 

[Gael Bage]

Lol Chibi I sometimes have difficulty finding mine, it's good to release... for we need space for the next poem.  Happy hols to you too.  ;D

[cat]

Hello, Gael,

Why don't you look into some of the chapbook competitions?  They don't require as many haiku and they state plainly upfront how many they want.   You won't get into it and find out the commitment is bigger than you thought, because the requirements are all laid out ahead of time.

cat

[Gael Bage]

Cat thank you for that sensible suggestion, I guess the only way to find out if work has that sort of merit is to give it a try.  :)