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The Two Authors of What Light There Is

Started by Lorin, April 29, 2017, 02:29:56 AM

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Rick Hurst

"I am not one who is sensitive on the issue. I feel my haiku are 'given to me' ... and do not feel that they are 'mine' in any way."

These are words of a Master.
Paraphrasing Diane Arbus (1923-1971) Photographer: "I really believe there are things nobody would see if I didn't (write haiku about) them."

Seaview (Marion Clarke)

Quote from: justlikeyou on July 01, 2017, 01:45:52 AM
"I am not one who is sensitive on the issue. I feel my haiku are 'given to me' ... and do not feel that they are 'mine' in any way."

These are words of a Master.

Indeed, Rick.


I've not visited these forums since I last posted, so my apologies to all who've commented on this thread. Thanks, to all.

Michael, thank you very much for your very detailed (& sympathetic) post. Much appreciated! I understand & agree with all you've said.

I was very hurt upset at the time and though I wasn't aware of the of the Irish poet's book title when I first posted, the fact that the Forges-Ryan won a THF Book prize & that the Australian (actually British, but I imagine she has dual citizenship now) reviewer of the Forges-Ryan book for Presence (who is also President of the Haiku Society of Australia) had praised the book for its "excellent title" etc. and, upon enquiry, told me she hadn't been aware of my poem or book ...these things ribbed salt into the wound.

When I posted, I even got the word order of my own haiku wrong! It should be:

on a bare twig rain beads what light there is

Before I posted, though, I looked into the likelihood that Sylvia Forges-Ryan had read my haiku and it seemed to me there was a strong likelihood because of three things:

1. The THF Registry

I joined it fairly early in the piece and have not changed the haiku since. The haiku in question has been there a long time. See the 'client ID' in the url.

Sylvia Forges-Ryan joined the Registry quite some time later:

Her name & photo comes right after mine, because of our F surnames:

I'd find it unusual if anyone, upon checking her own entry when it went online,wouldn't be curious enough to have a look at neighbouring entries, at least.

2. My haiku was first published in Shamrock Haiku Journal #3, Sept 2007

I checked issues of Shamrock and found that Forges-Ryan has haiku in Shamrock Haiku Journal #1, also in 2007:

Would anyone submit to a journal, then not check out at least a few subsequent issues in the same year?

3. The haiku was Snapshot Press Calendar comp. winner in 2011 and also appeared in the Red Moon anthology 2011, 'Carving Darkness', with publication credits given to the Snapshot Press.

4. My 'what light there is' was available on 3Lights Gallery, and when that closed down, Liam sent the file to me & it was continuously available via a link on the editor's page of A Hundred Gourds.

So I still think it likely that Forges-Ryan had at least read my haiku, even if she wasn't interested in reading the e-chapbook, though it's clearly available for anyone reading my THF Registry profile:

"Books Published: a wattle seedpod (Post Pressed, Teneriffe, Qld, Australia, 2008); e-chapbooks: what light there is (3Lights Gallery, 2009) and A Few Quick Brushstrokes, a winner of the Snapshot Press e-chapbook competition, 2011. All three publications are available online, free of charge."

Nevertheless, I noted Forges-Ryan's age, along with the fact that she'd not been active in writing haiku for a decade and considered the possibility of "reading & forgetting". It was that nobody on the THF judges' panel and the President of the AHS seemed to be completely aware of my haiku, let alone my e-chapbook title, and that really hurt. I'd also sent a short email to Jim, but received no reply.

And I had, at the time, recently been sidelined, inexplicably & at the last moment, in relation to an American poet's visit to Melbourne which I was arranging via THF & subsequent email correspondence with said poet, by a member of my own haiku group, who I'd helped a lot and who refused to explain at all & sent the whole group a clerical 'Notice' of concluding all association with the I was feeling pretty hurt anyway.

Such is life. One continues.  :)

a ps to Marion & Rick:  Jane's response to Marion was a gracious one, but it's Marion who deserves credit for contacting her upon discovering the repetition. To be fair, Jane was not always so gracious:

Jane Reichhold

a response can be found here:

- Lorin

Rick Hurst

Lorin, a most interesting share. Thank you.

Jane is one of three important teachers of mine. Her instructions for the new haiku writer are priceless in my book. I hadn't read much beyond that, by Jane that is, and so had never seen this aspect of her. She sounds very much like a fierce grizzly momma bear protecting her cubs. Then again, we are all capable of that if need be.  ;D
Paraphrasing Diane Arbus (1923-1971) Photographer: "I really believe there are things nobody would see if I didn't (write haiku about) them."

Seaview (Marion Clarke)

So sorry you had such a bad time back then, Lorin.

Thank you for your kind words about my cringeworthy faux pas.

And good grief, I hadn't seen that haibun of Jane's before. Although I have never met Richard, from what I've read of his work and the academic papers he's written, he is a highly knowledgeable and inspirational person. That must have really hurt.


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