Question about haiku authorship

[Bea]

I have a question about submitting haiku for either publication or competition if it's been edited or changed by someone else. Does the haiku then become a collaboration with 2 authors? I'm trying to figure out if i should regard haiku of mine that get vastly improved in the Mentor forum as sort of school work and not part of my poetic portfolio (if that's the right word!) ???

[cat]

Hello, Bea,

Your moment, your poem.

Suggestions from your fellow poets are just that -- suggestions for you to use as you see fit.  Co-authorship doesn't enter into it.  I have been a member of haiku fora since 2007, and I have never seen or heard of anyone trying to claim a share of someone else's poem after making a suggestion for improving it.

Whether you send it out or not has more to do with whether the poem continues to express your intentions and whether you feel comfortable with where it's gone than it does with the fact that you received some guidance in the workshop.

Today I help you with your haiku, tomorrow you help me with mine.  And so it goes, round and round, and each poem continues to belong to (s)he who conceived it.

cat

[Bea]

Thanks so much, Cat!

[Lorin]

Yes, Bea, it's as Cat says, precisely.

I would check, though, to make sure that this mentoring forum is a closed forum available only to members before submitting any work you show here for publication, because if it's open to anyone, the 'general public', then work done here will be considered published.

I think I read somewhere that this is a closed forum, but it's not in the introduction, where I just checked.

[AlanSummers]

Hi everyone,

The mentoring section is a closed forum to protect people's serial rights. 

I've also just messaged Laura to consider making this a closed session as well. 

It's a good point as I've been discussing haiku on Facebook as the same issues have come up that people have freely posted either draft haiku or new haiku not realising that most magazines will consider it published.

all my best,

Alan

[AlanSummers]

Hi everyone,

Laura reminds us that the new to haiku is a closed set for all of us. 

See Purpose of this Board:
http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/forum_sm/mentoring/purpose-of-this-board/

[Laura Sherman]

Hi!  Just to clarify, the Mentoring board is the only one closed to the public at this time.  The other boards are open. 

There is a way to test this.  Before you log in, look to see which boards you can see.  Those are the ones open to the public.  You'll notice that the Mentoring one isn't visible.  Only when you log in, can you see that one.

[Gael Bage]

With so many experiencing a haiku moment it surprises me that no two are alike - have there been instances of 2 identical haiku conceived at different momernts - snap  ???