hadaka: all that comprises life

[AlanSummers]

Do you have any of your haiku to share, as you mentioned they touch on the darker moments?

The book which I have somewhere in my library is:

Haiku Iz Rata: War Haiku, second edition. Marijan Čekolj, editor. Croatian Haiku Society, Smerovišće 24, 41430 Samobor, Croatia, 1995, 80 pages, 8 x 5½ inches, paperback, perfectbound. In Croatian and English.

If you particularly like war haiku, then check out this list:
http://war-haiku.tempslibres.org/biblio.html

Alan

too early for sunrise
the horizon glows with the red
of burning villages

This ku wowed me!
Amazing.
Thank you for posting these great examples, Alan  :)

Do you by any chance know where i would be able to purchase a collection like this?
I would be very interested.

[Jan Benson]

Alan,
I don't want to start a new topic, hope this allows me to tag onto it.

I had previously read most of this thread, but did not quite get it.
Now I think I do.
Reaching back to one of the threads in the index...
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Re: weeding
« Reply #6 on: Today at 07:13:45 AM »
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Hi Jan,

Did you mean hadaka?   Removing things so other things can be more clearly seen?
Alan
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As I was earlier this year preparing for the IAFOR 2016 Contest, I read the IAFOR 2015 winners, Commended and Runner's Up.
In it I found these haiku/hybrid that I think may be examples of Hadaka.
Can you correct me if I'm still "off"? In these examples?

1.
Jim Kacian
Runner's Up

the shadow of the fish
hides
in the shadow of a leaf

2. (I still don't see the image in this one, but think it may be Hadaka)
Dusan Mijajlovic
Commended

a shirt hung
on the birch tree branch
a man in its shadow

3.
Milan Dragovic
Runner's Up

summer night ...
a worm bites through the silence
in a fallen acorn

4. (Just curious if this also fits)
Eduard Tara
Commended

rustling pages--
in the library the echo
of the past forests

5.
And the winner
Boris Nazansky

pregnancy
shape of the dark side
of the crescent moon

Thanks for your kind response.
Jan in Texas

[AlanSummers]

Just popping in briefly. :)

I'd say it's the underbelly that some like to avoid in their poetry, as per examples previously.   Examples you have given do have a clarity of language, with no ambivalence perhaps? 

re:

Eduard Tara
Commended

rustling pages--
in the library the echo
of the past forests

He's certainly a haiku poet to read, and uses sound in the first line to make the second part much more than a statement.  We have torn down original forests and ancient woodlands, perhaps Britain is the worst modern example, and the Roman Empire may have been mostly responsible for huge swathes of Africa being denuded of forest.   At one time the planet was one big forest alongside bodies of water, now cities are replacing much of that original mono-forest. 

It's a wonderful haiku and perhaps the strongest of the batch you presented?

re:

summer night ...
a worm bites through the silence
in a fallen acorn

Milan Dragovic

This is from/alluding to Basho's famous Autumn/Fall chestnut haikai verse:


夜ル竊ニ虫は月下の栗を穿ツ

Basho

Romanised Japanese:

yoru hisoka ni mushi wa gekka no kuri o ugatsu



night . . . silently
in the moonlight, a worm
digs into a chestnut

Trans. Ueda, Makoto


autumn moonlight —
a worm digs silently
into the chestnut

Trans. Robert Hass

kind regards,

Alan

[Jan Benson]

Alan:
Thanks.
Pithy statement you open with. Will ponder it for some time.

Will Look for some more Tara perhaps on LHA, and online too.

Thanks for your time.

Jan Benson
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Just popping in briefly. :)

I'd say it's the underbelly that some like to avoid in their poetry, as per examples previously.   Examples you have given do have a clarity of language, with no ambivalence perhaps? 

re:

Eduard Tara
Commended

rustling pages--
in the library the echo
of the past forests

He's certainly a haiku poet to read, and uses sound in the first line to make the second part much more than a statement.  We have torn down original forests and ancient woodlands, perhaps Britain is the worst modern example, and the Roman Empire may have been mostly responsible for huge swathes of Africa being denuded of forest.   At one time the planet was one big forest alongside bodies of water, now cities are replacing much of that original mono-forest. 

It's a wonderful haiku and perhaps the strongest of the batch you presented? ...

[AlanSummers]

Hi Jan,

The examples you gave were strong ones for haiku, but as you will see in the examples in the article I quote from Peter Brady, and many subsequent examples, it's a parallel stream of existence that is touched on, the less poetic side of life.

Another good example of this kind of work can be found in Brendan Slater's personal collections In Bed with Kerouac and Rum, Sodomy and the Wash: http://www.yettobenamedfreepress.org/p/flip-books.html

And:
c.2.2. Anthology of Short Verse
Editors: Brendan Slater & Alan Summers
Introduction: Sonam Chhoki
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1479304565

The latter is both haiku and other short verse: "tackling themes such as loss of identity, poverty, racism, homelessness, unsentimental love, crime, punishment, in short, real life. Each poet is identified by a pen-name, there are no frills, lavender or lace in these pages, just honest, gritty and experimental verse that will hopefully make the reader sit up and take notice, get inspired and rethink the role of short-verse in not only the poetry world but also in society which is after all both subject and audience."

All anonymous names, and even Brendan does not know the identity of one author whom I know, and still cannot reveal to this day.

re Eduard Tara:
http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/2014/03/18/haikunow-2013-eduard-tara/

re his favourite haiku, I can say that although David Cobb's haiku alludes to Buson's famous comb/dead wife fictive piece, his piece is very much true, and Karen and myself knew David Cobb's wife and still very  much miss.  She died so suddenly, she was always full of light at British Haiku Society haiku events.
http://www.poetrysociety.org.nz/tarafavourites

Also he is a champion of non-English language haiku, which we need to know more about, as Brazil, he states has been writing haiku longer than in America and other English-writing/speaking countries:
http://simplyhaiku.theartofhaiku.com/autumn2010/eduardtarainterview.htm

Alan

[Jan Benson]

Alan
I had already tracked down most of the Tara you list, but the last on his interview ...

But on one other site , I think the one he lists his fav haiku, he mentions being published in many languages, and predominantly 5/7/5. but acknowledges the progressive haiku in ELH.
I found the Cobb haiku my fav of his favs.

I also asked to be on his f/b as a friend, and explored his choices in music. Some of that is transporting in itself.

Took advantage of those free downloads, pdf files, and saw one of Bjerg's as well that I don't have yet.

Let me read those to see if they help me better understand Hadaka, before I set my credit card to any links...
But that Sonam wrote the intro to c.2.2. makes it very tempting.

;-)
Thanks again Alan
Jan

[Jan Benson]

Just bought c.2.2. New on Amazon.
Shipper is in the US.

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And, it hit me that the 2016 Winner of IAFOR, was also a hadaka contender. .. you were judge of that round.
So, now making notes on that batch of ku searching for hadaka examples... which I will keep to myself.

sunny afternoon
a shadow
on the mammogram

Suraja Roychowdhury,
United States

[AlanSummers]

re Suraja Roychowdhury's haiku, she actually won both my Conference Theme of Justice section, where others baulked at that theme, and was also the GRAND PRIZE WINNER, which was an interesting and gratifying result: http://iaforhaikuaward.org/full-list-of-winners-the-iafor-vladimir-devide-haiku-award-2016/

I looked her up when the results were announced and she works in the medical area where she meets hundreds of women having mammograms, so that's where the authencity came through:

sunny afternoon
a shadow
on the mammogram

As a judge I look at every entry many many times and even early favourites are given a hard time, a tough time, and no quick route to the short list.   

This haiku stayed in my long list each time, and in the short list that was still considerably long, until the final short list, where it not only stayed but gained a momentum, so it went through stronger tests as there were other contenders, but it just kept coming back and nudging ahead.

I would say its strongest feature, one of them, I'll say more in the book, is the use and power of juxtaposition, and literal use of light and shade.

Yes, it could go into the hadaka classification because people go through these checks and balances everyday, the ones that are not glamourous, and make incredibly tough and painful choices in our lifestyles away from the mainstream existences, and right now we all know one or more people who are going through them.

Just bought c.2.2. New on Amazon.
Shipper is in the US.

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And, it hit me that the 2016 Winner of IAFOR, was also a hadaka contender. .. you were judge of that round.
So, now making notes on that batch of ku searching for hadaka examples... which I will keep to myself.

sunny afternoon
a shadow
on the mammogram

Suraja Roychowdhury,
United States

[Anna]

I find that Jack Galmitiz prompts a useful reply from paul m. aka Paul Miller which I have to concur with, as we are observers, and therefore a participant via poetry.

From Jack Galmitz's fascinating interview with paul m.
http://www.roadrunnerjournal.net/pages113/Discard_the_Dividing_Line.pdf

JG:
While it's not unprecedented in haiku, your inclusion of the darker side of nature-the struggle to survive, mortality-gives rise to the virtue of compassion in your work. Here are a few examples:

returning geese
her ashes still
in the plain tin


spring morning
flies return
to a crab carcass


pm:
I don't know that you can honestly interact with the world and not gain more compassion—either through the practice of poetry, the observation of animals, or simply shopping in a store.

I mentioned that the universe was a violent place on its own. I do see some poetry, haiku included, that seems to want to veer from that seeing, to only present the beautiful and uplifting, which I find false and a bit cowardly. The world is a complicated and messy place. If we are going to value honesty in poetry we need to represent all that we see.

Any thoughts from anyone?

Alan

Any thoughts from anyone?

Alan

ah yes,  I think I agree with paul m. 

[Rick Hurst]

I just found this thread. I really should get out more.

In reading through the thread something immediately came to mind. An all too common scene 'round these parts.


red dawn
the highway stained
with a life    drained    out

[AlanSummers]

Yes, there's a lot of roadkill out there, and sometimes it's human.   One of my step-relatives narrowly avoided being killed on the road just a week ago.

Oddly I haven't used the color red for any of my 'hadaka' haiku but yellow I associate with the dark raw side of life:

Monday's magician of yellow colour of murder

[monostich]

Alan Summers
Publication Credits: Does Fish-God Know (YTBN Press 2012)


girl in an owl

a human gun for yellow

Alan Summers
c.2.2. Anthology of short-verse ed. Brendan Slater & Alan Summers
(Yet To Be Named Free Press 2013)

Haibun:

Windsor & Newton receive a small parcel

   of gamboge from their South-East Asian suppliers:
they usually grind it up carefully and sell in tubes,
   one of their more expensive watercolours.

      This one contains exploded bullets.
      There's five of them displayed in their office now.

   It might have been the Vietnam War,
   or the horrors of the Pol Pot regime,
   a soldier, or a group of soldiers, entered a garcinia grove
   and sprayed bullets around the area with machine guns. 

Some of them lodged safely in the bamboo,
to be found months, years later, by paint-makers
in Harrow.

There are landmines in that grove now
where the trees bleed in slow sunshine.

      Whatever happened to the other bullets
                  can only be imagined,

but there's a nine year old boy who limps,
as he catches a train,
      in a man's body.


   this reluctant bird
   another bright eye day
   for the both of us



n.b. (for readers) Gamboge is a deep tone of saffron for painting, and other uses such as Buddhist robes.

pub. Blithe Spirit Vol. 25 issue 2 (2015)
anthology: Journeys 2015, World Haibun Anthology ed. Angelee Deodhar

I just found this thread. I really should get out more.

In reading through the thread something immediately came to mind. An all too common scene 'round these parts.


red dawn
the highway stained
with a life    drained    out

[Rick Hurst]

Love the way you wrote this:

but there's a nine year old boy who limps,
as he catches a train,
      in a man's body.

Yellow is an interesting choice to illustrate the dark side. To me, after white, it represents a higher goodness. But we each bring our own color scheme to life and it's all good.

I used red because that is the actual color. If it was a deer, moose or bear it can sometimes be quite a large stain crossing several travel lanes.

Yes, there's a lot of roadkill out there, and sometimes it's human.   One of my step-relatives narrowly avoided being killed on the road just a week ago.

Oddly I haven't used the color red for any of my 'hadaka' haiku but yellow I associate with the dark raw side of life:

Monday's magician of yellow colour of murder

[monostich]

Alan Summers
Publication Credits: Does Fish-God Know (YTBN Press 2012)


girl in an owl

a human gun for yellow

Alan Summers
c.2.2. Anthology of short-verse ed. Brendan Slater & Alan Summers
(Yet To Be Named Free Press 2013)

Haibun:

Windsor & Newton receive a small parcel

   of gamboge from their South-East Asian suppliers:
they usually grind it up carefully and sell in tubes,
   one of their more expensive watercolours.

      This one contains exploded bullets.
      There's five of them displayed in their office now.

   It might have been the Vietnam War,
   or the horrors of the Pol Pot regime,
   a soldier, or a group of soldiers, entered a garcinia grove
   and sprayed bullets around the area with machine guns. 

Some of them lodged safely in the bamboo,
to be found months, years later, by paint-makers
in Harrow.

There are landmines in that grove now
where the trees bleed in slow sunshine.

      Whatever happened to the other bullets
                  can only be imagined,

but there's a nine year old boy who limps,
as he catches a train,
      in a man's body.


   this reluctant bird
   another bright eye day
   for the both of us



n.b. (for readers) Gamboge is a deep tone of saffron for painting, and other uses such as Buddhist robes.

pub. Blithe Spirit Vol. 25 issue 2 (2015)
anthology: Journeys 2015, World Haibun Anthology ed. Angelee Deodhar

I just found this thread. I really should get out more.

In reading through the thread something immediately came to mind. An all too common scene 'round these parts.


red dawn
the highway stained
with a life    drained    out

[AlanSummers]

Yellow can be an uplifting color and one of my favourite colors, but sometimes...

Currently prisoners are clothed in a standard issue prison uniform, except for dangerous criminals, who wear yellow and green boiler suits.  Prison uniforms in the United States often consist of a distinctive orange or yellow jumpsuit or two piece surgical scrub set to make escape more difficult, as it is difficult for an escaped inmate to avoid recognition and recapture in such a distinctive attire.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_uniform

Blue is an almost universally liked color (whereas yellow and brown, for example, are much less popular). That's true everywhere, except in the few places where blue is most strongly associated with death and mourning (e.g., parts of East Asia).
http://munsell.com/color-blog/drunk-tank-pink-adam-alter/

Yellow tends to cause more eye fatigue than any other color. It increases metabolism and upsets babies. People also tend to lose their temper more often in yellow rooms. Yellow often makes many people feel cheerful, energetic, and happy.
http://www.demesne.info/Improve-Your-Home/Choosing-Interior-Color.htm

Yellow makes babies cry:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/color-psychology-10-ways-colors-trick-you-every-day-295460

The Yellow Wallpaper
https://msu.edu/~fellow17/wra210/final/Research%20Paper%20-%20Charlotte%20Perkins%20Gilman.pdf

Yes, blood appears red due to oxidisation when exposed to air, but is blue.

Love the way you wrote this:

but there's a nine year old boy who limps,
as he catches a train,
      in a man's body.

Yellow is an interesting choice to illustrate the dark side. To me, after white, it represents a higher goodness. But we each bring our own color scheme to life and it's all good.

I used red because that is the actual color. If it was a deer, moose or bear it can sometimes be quite a large stain crossing several travel lanes.