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Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on January 05, 2023, 11:07:13 AM

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on December 31, 2022, 06:50:05 PM

Quote from: AlanSummers on December 31, 2022, 05:36:11 PM
Blo͞o Outlier Journal senryu special
New Year's Eve (Winter) 2022 issue
editors Alan Summers & Pippa Phillips

https://haikubasecamp.wordpress.com/2022/12/31/blo͞o-outlier-journal-senryu-special/

what a great issue! thank you.

lorraine

A great issue!

Well done on your striking potter's field senryu, lorraine.

marion

thank you. and kudos for your two as well. i especially like'mushrooms.'

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on December 31, 2022, 05:36:11 PM
Blo͞o Outlier Journal senryu special
New Year's Eve (Winter) 2022 issue
editors Alan Summers & Pippa Phillips

https://haikubasecamp.wordpress.com/2022/12/31/blo͞o-outlier-journal-senryu-special/

what a great issue! thank you.

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on December 24, 2022, 05:47:31 AM
Babylon Sidedoor December 2022
ed. Alan Summers
https://haikubasecamp.wordpress.com

Contents

the parts that thou shouldst bear            Lorraine A Padden
dinner on the ground                     Lorraine Pester      
Patterns                           Deryn Pittar
Clarion Call                        Caroline Giles Banks
Wall St                           Caroline Giles Banks   
Blink                              Marilyn Humbert
Disappointment                        David Josephsohn
Silence                           Lakshmi Iyer

artwork/photo©Alan Summers

A safe and friendly winter season.
Babylon Sidedoor is now on hiatus

Alan Summers
Christmas Eve, December 2022
https://haikubasecamp.wordpress.com

good christmas eve morning, Alan

what a wonderful christmas gift! i'm glad you still enjoyed it.

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on December 19, 2022, 10:32:52 AM
Hi Lorraine,

All safely received!

All of your nominations and those by others, who have an email account that bounces back my auto-response message are safely received.

For some reason your email account/server does not allow an auto-response reply.

Ah, yes, and some have not used the correct email address.

The correct email:

   thehaikureader@gmail.com


Whenever I've seen an email account by a poet rejecting the auto response confirmation I've emailed in person.

warm regards
Alan

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on December 19, 2022, 05:17:22 AM
morning Alan,

for whatever, my submission is not being sent to <thehaikureader@gmail.com>. it gets kicked back with the message that the address cannot be found.

wassup?

lorraine

sent again. i had omitted the word "the" in the address. i received your confirmation email of receipt.

so sorry.

lorraine

thanks Alan

morning Alan,

for whatever, my submission is not being sent to <thehaikureader@gmail.com>. it gets kicked back with the message that the address cannot be found.

wassup?

lorraine

sent again. i had omitted the word "the" in the address. i received your confirmation email of receipt.

so sorry.

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on September 02, 2022, 08:23:25 AM
Thank you Lorraine!

Also, inspired by our last Call of the Page shahai course, I'm bringing out a shahai journal!

I'll release submission details later in the year, with a new email address.

Alan

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on September 01, 2022, 05:13:05 AM

Quote from: AlanSummers on September 01, 2022, 04:55:54 AM
Thanks Marion,

It became a hybrid of journal issue and an anthology of natural history haiku.  Someone is keen to publish it as a standalone book too!

warm regards,
Alan

Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on August 31, 2022, 02:37:33 AM
From what I've read so far this is an excellent, bumper issue of Blo͞o Outlier Journal!

Well done, Alan. I look forward to browsing through it over the autumn months and beyond.

marion

hi Alan,

i'm trying to imagine it as a book with all those wonderful links.

exciting times!

beautiful issue. over and so beyond what i expected!

lorraine

hi Alan,

a big hurrah for your shahai journal! this is great news 🙃 🙃 🙃

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on September 01, 2022, 04:55:54 AM
Thanks Marion,

It became a hybrid of journal issue and an anthology of natural history haiku.  Someone is keen to publish it as a standalone book too!

warm regards,
Alan

Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on August 31, 2022, 02:37:33 AM
From what I've read so far this is an excellent, bumper issue of Blo͞o Outlier Journal!

Well done, Alan. I look forward to browsing through it over the autumn months and beyond.

marion

hi Alan,

i'm trying to imagine it as a book with all those wonderful links.

exciting times!

beautiful issue. over and so beyond what i expected!

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on April 04, 2022, 10:28:26 AM
Rachna Singh in conversation with Alan Summers
https://www.thewiseowl.art/tete-a-tete-alan-summers

hi Alan,

neat interview. cool magazine. i'm not familiar with it. my second favorite article was about the indie photographer.

hope you and Karen are well.

lorraine

Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on January 12, 2022, 02:30:21 AM

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on January 07, 2022, 08:59:54 AM

Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on September 01, 2021, 06:49:02 AM
https://morioka-haiku.jp/en/wp-content/themes/morioka-haiku_en/pdf/3rd-award-


Judges
Michael Dylan Welch
Toru Kiuchi

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lorraine

Just noticed there was a dash after the link, Lorraine! 🙄 Apologies.

marion

no worries, C

congrats on your piece as well

lorraine

Quote from: AlanSummers on January 07, 2022, 02:45:53 PM
3rd Morioka International Haiku Contest (2021)
Judges: Toru Kiuchi, Michael Dylan Welch
https://morioka-haiku.jp/wp/wp-content/themes/morioka-haiku_jp/pdf/3rd-award.pdf

more commentaries
https://morioka-haiku.jp/en/wp-content/themes/morioka-haiku_en/pdf/3rd-award-en.pdf

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on January 07, 2022, 08:59:54 AM

Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on September 01, 2021, 06:49:02 AM
https://morioka-haiku.jp/en/wp-content/themes/morioka-haiku_en/pdf/3rd-award-


Judges
Michael Dylan Welch
Toru Kiuchi

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lorraine

thank you, Alan.

and congratulations on your piece.

lorraine

Quote from: Seaview (Marion Clarke) on September 01, 2021, 06:49:02 AM
https://morioka-haiku.jp/en/wp-content/themes/morioka-haiku_en/pdf/3rd-award-


Judges
Michael Dylan Welch
Toru Kiuchi

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lorraine

Quote from: Billy Mills on November 19, 2021, 10:18:04 AM

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on November 19, 2021, 08:54:16 AM

Quote from: Billy Mills on November 19, 2021, 07:55:10 AM

Quote from: Dmitri on November 19, 2021, 07:47:27 AM
Billy Mills says: For me, one thing that all good haiku do is to produce an analogy by means of juxtaposition, two or more (usually two) disparate things brought together that open the readers mind in some way.

So, for you, would you say the following two examples, since they do not provide a juxtaposition of two disparate things, are not haiku? And please note, I am not disputing the merit of each piece. Buit just trying to be clear, and further the conversation.



from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird
                                     Johnannes Bjerg

exit wendy from the peter pandemic
                        Lorin Ford

In their own way, I think they are juxtaposing, but they may not be haiku. The first sets virus and bird together to produce an image; in the second the idea of a peter pandemic is a kind of metaphor, as pandemics of people don't literally exist.

For me they both lack one basic aspect of any poem, which is to do with the sounds they make. There's no real music, for me t least.

hi billy,

still confused. in the issa poem you quoted, where is the music or "sound that is made" that you say is necessary for a haiku?

or am i just dense?

lorraine

nabe hitotsu / yanagi ippon mo / kore mo haru

There's assonance in the repeated "na naomi ha" sounds and the "to post more kind mo". Pretty much impossible to translate.

so it's something that i, not a translator, could not appreciate.

so. . .how bout one in good old english that meets that desire of musicality?

lorraine

Quote from: Billy Mills on November 19, 2021, 07:55:10 AM

Quote from: Dmitri on November 19, 2021, 07:47:27 AM
Billy Mills says: For me, one thing that all good haiku do is to produce an analogy by means of juxtaposition, two or more (usually two) disparate things brought together that open the readers mind in some way.

So, for you, would you say the following two examples, since they do not provide a juxtaposition of two disparate things, are not haiku? And please note, I am not disputing the merit of each piece. Buit just trying to be clear, and further the conversation.



from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird
                                     Johnannes Bjerg

exit wendy from the peter pandemic
                        Lorin Ford

In their own way, I think they are juxtaposing, but they may not be haiku. The first sets virus and bird together to produce an image; in the second the idea of a peter pandemic is a kind of metaphor, as pandemics of people don't literally exist.

For me they both lack one basic aspect of any poem, which is to do with the sounds they make. There's no real music, for me t least.

hi billy,

still confused. in the issa poem you quoted, where is the music or "sound that is made" that you say is necessary for a haiku?

or am i just dense?

lorraine

Quote from: Billy Mills on November 19, 2021, 02:27:30 AM
Hi all, new to the forum but not to haiku.

For me, one thing that all good haiku do is to produce an analogy by means of juxtaposition, two or more (usually two) disparate things brought together that open the readers mind in some way.

And this is not achieved in the standard western modes of simile or metaphor, the frog is not like the sound of water, neither is the sound of water identified as the frog. The frog and the water coexist, and by being present in the same haiku space, they create a new whole, a complex image of (part of) the world that leads the reader to a third element, silence as defined by sound.

so. . .do the two things being juxed have to be in the same venue—ie:::water/pond/frog? or do you allow moments of "this reminds me of?" can't tell from your example.

lorraine

hi Alan,

just had to say i really like bjerg's piece that you elaborated on. i really like knowing the backstory on pieces like this. thank you for that discussion.

a thought i had about bjerg's piece was that the fragment about the virus being a bird could have spoken to the idea that it is in the air like a bird as well as the idea that it is ephemeral like a bird:::here one minute and taken flight the next.

enjoyed the two links concerning the publication. brought home the fact that there are indeed at least two ways to read a haiku. or was the first one tongue-in-cheek? i enjoy michael dylan welch's article. and had to remind myself it was around 2011 that it was written. what he says still holds true.

i think that as readers of any written work we need to be mindful of thinking while we read. what is read on first reading can change as we think about it. like brad bennet. like bjerg. like any of us who write haikai.

if we look for that one element that makes a haiku, we are limiting ourselves both as readers and writers.

i'm reminded of what you wrote in the beginner's section here when you said that you knew you shouldn't like her poem for a variety of reasons which you delineated, but in the end, you did like it. and isn't that the open mindedness that we should be writing and reading with? because otherwise we will all be looking for the magic recipe of form and ignoring everything else that has merit.

off my soapbox..

lorraine