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Chen-ou,
Sent you 20 KU on 11/27/16
By now you should have receipt of them.

Best wishes for the Holidays.

Jan Benson

Thanks for the reminder, Chen-ou
Jan

YEA!
Good follow up, Alan.
Jan Benson

Gottlieb Cohen:

I have had that same struggle with understanding haiku as a form.
In the English language it keeps growing into genre and sub genre, which makes the struggle ever more exhausting.

However, I do believe you have stumbled onto a workable monoku.
I am no expert but I can see playing with it a bit. If you will endure me.

bubbling krill into the polar light air's sweetness

Perhaps:

bubbling krill into the polar light sweetness

bubbling krill sweet into the polar light air

bubbling krill into the polar light air sweet


though, in these versions there are too many adjectives to delight the master haijin.
The word that seems less necessary as an adjective in your KU seems to me to be "sweet".


Just my thoughts. Choose or lose as you see fit.


Jan in Texas

Quote from: martin gottlieb cohen on November 21, 2016, 12:49:53 PM
bubbling krill into the polar light air's sweetness

I use the "bubbling krill" as a hook to bring you into the point of view of a Humpback whale feeding.  Continuing I try to imagine how the Humpback experiences the event through sensory images, but there is no dream room to explore. Haiku is not easy the way I understand it. I am simple, have been struggling for twenty years, and can't understand it.

A delight to read through the offerings on the blog.
Always a learning experience in reading the judges comments on winners.
Thanks for posting.
Jan Benson
USA

Thanks, Sandra.
My condolences.
Jan Benson

Alan,
I long ago liked and followed that group, but it is not on my personal listing of groups.
FOR now, I updated my settings in E H to begin to receive all posts/pics/links.
Sent E H a private message to let them know I don't appear to be in the group, and am awaiting response.
Thanks, again.
Jan Benson

Quote from: Alan Summers on November 01, 2016, 08:42:14 AM
Dear Jan,

Luca Cenisi emailed many of us that a Facebook page titled "European Haiku" has been created and it is
still online, so we really hope to meet you there for sharing articles,haiku, and other Japanese form-based poems.

The European Haiku page is up, perhaps post your query there?
https://www.facebook.com/europeanhaiku/?fref=ts

Hopefully this will be resolved.

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: Jan in Texas on October 31, 2016, 05:07:51 PM
Dear Alan:   10/31/16

Regarding the lost link to the winners of this contest...

On October 26, 2016, I sent an email to gruppoitalianohaiku@gmail.com addressed to Luca Cenisi requesting information on pending certificates, or an updated link to this year's contest winners.

I have yet to hear anything at all on this request.
Suggestions on how to contact Luca Cenisi in another format might be helpful.

Sincerely
Jan Benson

Dear Alan:   10/31/16

Regarding the lost link to the winners of this contest...

On October 26, 2016, I sent an email to gruppoitalianohaiku@gmail.com addressed to Luca Cenisi requesting information on pending certificates, or an updated link to this year's contest winners.

I have yet to hear anything at all on this request.
Suggestions on how to contact Luca Cenisi in another format might be helpful.

Sincerely
Jan Benson

Meg:
Truly, this discussion board is slow at times. Other times, not as slow.

For me, one's chance to review a poem on re:Virals is a good excersize. But it is difficult to keep the timing right to be considered for remarks to be published by Jim Kacian.

Scott Metz, by the way, has some interesting notations in some of these older Deep/Free Discussions, here and elsewhere. Though I can't point you to any one of the at this moment.

I do find navigating in THF to be awfully troublesome, in the grander view of discussion boards.

As far as active mentors who post, Alan's take on any given issue is usually the only one noted. Though in the last year, I did see Peter Yovu put someone right. ;-)

There are many scholars who's names are listed as members here on THF, but they so rarely participate. It is kinda sad.

Jan Benson

Interesting thread.
Glad to see Paul Miller has noted his perspective.
Jan

Alan:
You lost me at the very last sentence. Is that meant as a comparative of two ideas?
1. Timeless issues and/or new problems
2. "Introverterize" ??? (Navel gazing???)

Or is your point that you and JSH Bjerg have different ideas/meanings to Gendai as an expression of haiku?

Jan Benson

Quote from: Alan Summers on October 17, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
As a criticism about gendai haiku in the West was mentioned in passing, and I see this from time to time, I thought it timely to reopen and re-examine the topic.

Is gendai good?   Well any approach to any writing genre regardless if it is a success in its own right or not, brings forth interesting experiments that feed into and energise anything that may start to become repetitive and/or formulaic aka 'formula'.

I don't write gendai haiku any more, as far as I am aware, and perhaps no one else does, it's an important staging post.   Do we write in the 21st century with all its timeless issues, as well as new problems, or just introverterize ourselves?

Alan

Quote from: Johannes S. H. Bjerg on November 26, 2014, 08:06:52 AM
To ask if gendai is "good" really makes no sense. Taking that "gendai" means new, contemporary, fresh the question really means: "is new haiku good?" ...

One aspect of haiku we have to embrace, or at least acknowledge, is its vast diversity. Haiku is very much more than adapting Western minds to Japanese tradition (and why would we do that?). Haiku is poetry written by humans. Humans have a very different experiences with being alive, humans are different. People write for all sorts of reasons and in all sorts of ways and we should be applauding this fact. The days were emulating a Japanese mind-set seemed to be "the thing" are gone ... for most parts. Of course there are still those that do so and that's fine, but this isn't The Way in haiku; there isn't one way of writing haiku, there isn't One Haiku except for that abstract Big Haiku that is all the various types of haiku that is written these days.

I could revert the question: "Is traditional haiku good?" Haven't we moved on past replicating what we never can become as Westerners?

Alan,
Thanks.
Just purchased at Inpress Books.
The GBP cost was 10.80 (with shipping)
American Dollars = $13.64.

---------JAN BENSON-----------

Quote from: Alan Summers on October 11, 2016, 03:18:56 PM
David Cobb uses a great editorial method so worth getting the anthology for that reason alone.

So Inpress Books is the international seller:
http://inpressbooks.co.uk/products/the-humours-of-haiku

When you go to the cart you can put in USA and applicable State.

The current price is £7.00 GBP.

Quote from: Jan in Texas on October 11, 2016, 01:02:42 PM
Alan:
Saw this on your Area 17 Blogspot.
Snooping the Internet, found this reference.

I'm strongly considering purchasing this book.
From Iron Press, It appears to now cost 8.00 British Pound

Jan Benson

Alan:
"The Reader as Second Verse" is approachable, and chuck full of supportive quotes.

I have a new appreciation of symbiosis.
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Black Dogs and afternoon rain. An extended excerpt of your sumptuous previous release "Themocracy", but featuring only one of the four poets.

This extended introduction to the works of David Jacobs showcases his deft hand at haiku. Your explications make clearer the collection as a thread on relationships, as well as depression.

Thanks

Jan

Quote from: Alan Summers on October 10, 2016, 05:36:05 PM
The new website is now up and features two of my essays, or brand new and shiny:


The Reader as Second Verse
by Alan Summers

Black dogs and afternoon rain
by Alan Summers

http://britishhaikusociety.org.uk/essays/

Alan:
Saw this on your Area 17 Blogspot.
Snooping the Internet, found this reference.

I'm strongly considering purchasing this book.
From Iron Press, It appears to now cost 8.00 British Pound

Jan Benson

Alan:
Really appreciate the update on activity regarding monoku.

The single line KU have been on my mind lately, and I'm realizing the few I have published are really too long, as haiku seem to be going towards 10 syllables.

I'll join in though.
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cold water on an african violet ghosts bloom

Brass Bell, May 1/ 2016
http://brassbellhaiku.blogspot.com/2016_05_01_archive.html
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gypsy moon slip knot lens

Failed Haiku, May 1, 2016, page 57
http://www.haikuhut.com/FailedHaikuIssue5.pdf
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crescent moon and her silk blouse a zephyr swells

Frogpond 38:2, page 46


Jan Benson