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Thanks Anna for bringing up that piece from Philip Rowland.  I don't if there was a part two in the making, but five years later he produced:

New Directions in English-language Haiku: An Overview and Assessment
http://iafor.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Article-3-iafor-librasia-journal-volume2-issue2-2-3.pdf

That is a great idea to include an editor's or editors' thought on the more unusual or experimental haiku.

I love this quote from you:

QuoteHaiku is form poetry...the composition is deviant

lifted from:

Quote from: Anna on September 30, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
Haiku is form poetry. The craft skills are to be appreciated. Even, if the composition is deviant art.

I think the fact that people are overly influenced by the pre-haiku art of Basho that they get shocked with current writers, and even immediately post-Shiki writers from Japan and elsewhere stop writing hokku and pre-Industrial/post-Agrarian poetry.

I am also greatly relieved that I am seeing/hearing more artists and poets who cannot or will not explain their art/writings.   Sometimes my stuff comes from some mind zone outside my logical everyday existence and I can barely recognise that I am the originator, especially if it's really good for some unfathomable reason. ;)

And we have to remember that Basho was forever inventing or at least taking a group's idea of something and running with it.   Even on his deathbed he was starting on karumi which he never got to complete or create a particular strategic verse such as he did with frog+pond and branch+crow.

Love this too! :)

Quote from: Anna on September 30, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
That said, now that the monsoon is gone, where the hell do I find a frog? I guess I will ask Basho's ghost.

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: Anna on September 30, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
Alan brought up Noon Journal. Here is something you should read Meg: http://www.modernhaiku.org/essays/RowlandFromHaikuToShortPoem.html


and when it comes to the strange little ones... I think it is a matter of acceptance, excuse the pun.
Would it not be wonderful if some of the prominent haiku magazines would encourage the strange little ones bu adding just a page, maybe two or three of them in the magazines with a comment by an editor or assistant editor. Editors have fairly attuned haiku minds, even when it comes to the strange critters...

I may be an year old in the haiku world, but I have been reading poetry for long. Haiku is form poetry. The craft skills are to be appreciated. Even, if the composition is deviant art.

So which of the magazines you have mentioned can and will come up with the leap of ...faith in Basho and the present day haijin world? I don't know, but I do hope that the frogs are all happy to land in the...big tub.

That said, now that the monsoon is gone, where the hell do I find a frog? I guess I will ask Basho's ghost.
And I mean no offence to anyone and everyone.

Croak
ann

Meg,

I tend to be mostly the only one currently who enters into discussions. :)

re:

Quote from: meghalls on September 29, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
I see that Bones is a "journal of contemporary haiku" which would lead people to think that whatever
is accepted will be considered haiku.

Different journals give an impression of what the editors perceive to be haiku.  Bones journal was in part a response to the demise of a popular online magazine Notes from the Gean; and also not giving into peer pressure, so there are just a few haiku for every issue.

None of the founding editors, myself (UK), Sheila Windsor (UK) or Johannes Bjerg (Denmark) held any interest in creating yet another haiku magazine of yet a regular approach.   We wanted to give people regardless if they were known or unknown a chance to have their voice, and poetry, published.  Bones is also a voice for those outliers out there who do not bend to a perceived norm in haiku (although many of write in a variety of approaches).

Jim Kacian (USA) recently said this:

QuoteIt's worth saying that as far afield from classical haiku as [this] work might seem to traditionalists, it is still nowhere near as various as that which is to be found in Japanese haiku in the present time. Such perturbations there result, for a host of reasons, in schisms, exclusive schools and personal enmity, whereas here we have a more homogenized approach, with various approaches filtered through a handful of editors into our few collective journals. Such an approach invites ontological process. Perhaps this melding is our gift back to haiku.

Now Kacian writes regular, standard, haiku like so many of us, but also experimental work.   What I will pull out of this is that if you read contemporary Japanese-language haiku it is very different from what non-Japanese people feel is the normal real way to compose them. 

Two of the shortest Japanese-language haiku are here:
http://area17.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/more-than-one-fold-in-paper-kire-kigo.html

So there is precedent of a sort.

Quote from: meghalls on September 29, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
Maybe my question is pointless-- would the editors of Frogpond or Modern haiku accept poems which they don't consider to be haiku? Doesn't seem so, even if they are fairly liberal in what they do accept.

Well, those magazines have turned down and accepted both traditional and experimental/free verse haiku.  They are good magazines but obviously more mainstream, which goes back to the fact that Roadrunner was so important as well known and respected general/mainstream poets and commentators would often select haiku for the Scorpion Prize.   Bones journal, as well as Otata and is/let etc... also give voice to those who know how to write standard haiku but wish to push boundaries, a common theme in both art, science and industry.

Quote from: meghalls on September 29, 2016, 10:20:43 AMSo that leaves Otata or Noon: Journal of the Short Poem and maybe a couple of others whose editors are not constrained. Still, it might be an interesting thing to talk about if some of these editors might chime in. But thank you Alan for talking about this.

Meg

Ah it would indeed.   Why not approach the founder of The Haiku Foundation (Jim Kacian) as we have had highly successful discussions in the past where editors and long known haiku poets have commented?

QUOTE IN FULL:

Quote from: meghalls on September 29, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
Alan,

Are you the only person on this forum, apart from itinerants like me?  :)

I see that Bones is a "journal of contemporary haiku" which would lead people to think that whatever
is accepted will be considered haiku. Maybe my question is pointless-- would the editors of Frogpond or
Modern haiku accept poems which they don't consider to be haiku? Doesn't seem so, even if they are fairly liberal in what they do accept. So that leaves Otata or Noon: Journal of the Short Poem and maybe a couple of others whose editors are not constrained. Still, it might be an interesting thing to talk about if some of these editors might chime in. But thank you Alan for talking about this.

Meg

Hi Agnes,

Roadrunner has ceased alas, that's just archived material.

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: AgnesEvaS on September 29, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
https://noonpoetry.com
NOON: journal of the short poem also accepts short poems outside of haiku.

Also, i did not know Roadrunner was still in production. I've been looking at an outdated link this whole time. Thanks for this news!

Dear Jan,

I am glad he honoured the cash prizes but I am puzzled why the certificates have not been sent too as the Association seems to have become the Gruppo Italiano Haiku now and active with kukai including cash prizes and certificates. Voting is active through October and November of this year.


Gruppo Italiano Haiku KUKAI IN LINGUA ITALIANA II EDIZIONE, ANNO 2016:
https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/Secondo%20kukai%202016.pdf?token=AWzHmgGoN29FuD_PK0WKBmzPRs8gsfdscrWribtw27l5jFxnQQ6soqkuc7pcfTMMZGyxdUfggwFn2d9uv_S327TOyCV1OPLPIYk3m3b4JXwJkWmna7u6JG8Mj3bLf8_8p6DLVGRZIjjw4zc2CkaDYTRs

The FB page for the old defunct association appears to be for the new Gruppo Italiano Haiku:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/associazionehaiku/?pnref=story

I see you are a member on the Facebook page.   I have just applied to be a member too, just now.

The email on the google drive document about the kukai is:

email:
gruppoitalianohaiku@gmail.com


Let us know how you get on.  I assume Luca Cenisi is head of this group.

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: Jan in Texas on September 28, 2016, 02:31:02 AM
Dear Alan:
For posterity, I kept this link as my "proof" of winning an award.
The link is no longer active.
I have no idea if a certificate will be awarded, as the monies have already been distributed.

If we are in the digital world for "Proofs of Publishing Credits and Awards", how can one feel confident in documenting when links disappear and in under one year's time?

... "Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist.

Make sure that you have the correct URL and the file existed."

Sincerely,
Jan Benson
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Quote from: Alan Summers on June 02, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
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Associazione Italiana Haiku
International Matsuo Bashō Award 2016 Results!

The results are in! Great judging with Luca Cenisi, myself and Gabriel Rosenstock for the English language haiku section:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7unISB9De6TSjFQSmRwZnZiT28/view



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Dear Meg,

I am an editor. :-)

Do you want an editor from a specific journal?

Both Roadrunner and Bones Journal accept short poems that needn't be attempting to be haiku.

My own collection Does Fish-God Know contains standard and experimental haiku and short poems/micropoems.

Of course as a founding editor of Bones Journal, now Emeritus Editor, myself and the others were interested in good writing, a requirement, and either haiku or something that could take from haiku and yet be its own thing.

re Bones Journal:
http://bonesjournal.com/submission.html

roadrunner:
http://roadrunnerjournal.com/pages_all/archive.htm

is/let:
https://isletpoetry.wordpress.com

otata:
https://otatablog.wordpress.com

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: meghalls on September 26, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
I was hoping an editor or two would jump into this. So I'll ask them directly, in hopes one will stop by: have you expanded (or would you expand) what you accept to include short poems which may not be haiku, but which are interesting anyway, and are connected to haiku in some way?

Thanks.

Meg

nothing but the wind
hokku by John Carley is now available free as a stunning eBook:
http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/omeka/files/original/67ff2bd0198720471b5e79ba65b92dc4.pdf

Sadly we lost John Carley three years ago:
http://livinghaikuanthology.com/index-of-poets/livinglegacies/2710-john-e-carley.html

kind regards

Alan

Alas all true, running an official not for profit organisation is not easy, especially if the main person is desperately ill.

QuoteWe will grant the delivery of the awards to the EHP winners, but from now on all the EHS activities will be suspended till the permanent closure of the Organisation.

Luca Cenisi
EHS President

European Haiku Society (EHS)
Via Gian Lorenzo Bernini, 4
33084 Cordenons (PN), Italy
Phone: +39 0434 540 287
Mobile: +39 320 885 8912
Web: www.haikusociety.eu

Quote from: Jan in Texas on September 10, 2016, 09:36:33 PM
NO, please say it isn't so.

I did not know Luca had been ill.

Reminds me I should contact him so he has my new home address to send my certificate to.

Jan

Hi Meg,


dandelion antsronauts

          Tom Sacramona, bottle rockets 18.1 (2016)
http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/2016/09/09/revirals-52/

I have no idea if this is an experiential haiku, although as an observer of nature, prepared to sit still for hours, I've witnessed things not always even caught by wildlife documentary makers (my wife is one).

This photo is true but the photographer has created the experience, not let it be entirely natural:
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/533395149591210655/

Here are natural phenomenons:

QuoteI kept noticing that where there were Dandelions there were ants.

http://benjaminellis.org/2013/05/06/ants-and-dandelions-co-dependance-and-missing-links/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myn5Ept-9vQ

There has been a long trend in poetry and in haiku to accept a word within a word poem:
http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/grumman/egrumn.htm

LeRoy Gorman is probably the longest and most famous practitioner of these within the haiku canon.

e.g.
http://bonesjournal.com/no1/bones1-final.pdf

And I am a co-founder of Bones Journal. :-)

Yep, we need outliers in haiku to keep us all on our toes.   Although I write a wide vein of haiku from classic hokku, traditional haiku with or without a 5-7-5 count (in English-language syllables) I do feel we need experimental and avant-garde work too.

Although my own collection is perhaps avant-garde to some, it's surprising how many haiku readers and writers from all corners do like the usual work:  http://area17.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/does-fish-god-know-haiku-collection-by.html

It is a delightful work isn't it?   It brings a smile, there needs to be lots of smiles in this world at times.

Thank you so much for posting.

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: meghalls on September 09, 2016, 12:55:57 PM
Hello,

Looking at today's re:viral, which is      dandelion antsronauts    by Tom Sacramona,
I'm curious how many current editors of haiku magazines would say that they have expanded what
they accept to include short poems which may not be haiku, but which are interesting anyway. I know there is ongoing debate about what is and is not a haiku, but it does seem that there are poems which would be hard to fit into any category except maybe haikuesque or something. I personally think this is a good thing, and besides, where else are these strange little poems going to go?

Meg

It is with great sadness that we hear that the European Haiku Society will cease to operate shortly.

This is due to various factors including Luca Cenisi's serious health concerns.


Luca says (extract):

QuoteWe will grant the delivery of the awards to the EHP winners, but from now on all the EHS activities will be suspended till the permanent closure of the Organization.

Thank you for having supported us during this year.

For any further information, please contact us at info@haikusociety.eu.

Sincerely

Luca Cenisi
EHS President

European Haiku Society (EHS)
Via Gian Lorenzo Bernini, 4
33084 Cordenons (PN), Italy
Phone: +39 0434 540 287
Mobile: +39 320 885 8912
Web: www.haikusociety.eu

Please do drop him a line and wish him full recovery and many thanks for taking on an amazing initiative.

Jan,

Yes, we all have our shadows, and it can look, from a certain eye, that anyone or other animal, moving away from the great shadow of a mountain, is taking a way a bit of it. :)

Do you mean HAIKU RULES THAT HAVE COME AND GONE Take Your Pick by Jane Reichhold?   If so, that is to show how many contradictory viewpoints there were, and all forcibly put forward as rules, rather than approaches.  Like other skills we need to learn everything and forget much (of it), not most, or some, just shed, but know and recognise contradictions, mistakes, good approaches, and not be levered into a formulaic stranglehold.

"Haiku poets, as all poets, should feel free to use the haiku in whatever way seems appropriate to their creativity. There never were any rules, just fashions and preferences. To be somewhere and write about it; that is what haiku is. You may write one hundred in a night or one in a lifetime.  The history of haiku and its poets, as with many things, is endlessly fascinating but is no substitute for the creative response to the moment."

Edith Shiffert,  age 88,    (from,  Yama-Biko:  Mountain Echo)
Published 9/15/03.

Quote from: Jan in Texas on September 04, 2016, 03:44:27 PM
Alan:

Read your explication at THF yesterday. Quite the moving detail, the way you see it.

Gives me a "fresh mindset" regarding Jane's approach to haiku.

Had seen her interview online, the long one, and wondered about all of the 14? Rules she had developed as tests of a good KU. Though in the interview, she did spare the listener those details.

Jan Benson

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Two poets discuss this iconic haiku:


moving into the sun
the pony takes with him
some mountain shadow

Jane Reichhold
American Haiku in Four Seasons
Yilin Press, Nanjing, China (1991)


http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/2016/09/02/revirals-51/

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Announcing the Jane Reichhold Memorial Haiga Competition
http://www.haikuhut.com/JaneReichholdMemorialHaigaCompetition.pdf

Prune Juice Journal and Failed Haiku  are happy to announce the creation of a senryu haiga competition in honor of Jane Reichhold. Jane's passing touched many of us; her love of all the haiku arts was legendary. We especially wanted her love of haiga and of senryu to be remembered and celebrated by artists and poets of both forms.

We have assembled three judges for this competition: Kris Kondo, Ron C. Moss, and Michele Root­ Bernstein. Their decisions will be final.

Here are the rules of the competition:
1. Three First Place winners will be chosen from the following categories:
a. Traditional Haiga, as in ink, ink wash, watercolor, oils, or tempera.
b. Photographic based haiga.
c. Mixed Media, which can be any combination of traditional and photographic, or
computer generated images and text.
d. All should contain a 'senryu' as the poem.
2. Winners in each category will each receive a $50 prize, and a book of haiga as a prize. AND they be be published in the November 5 issues of BOTH Prune Juice and Failed Haiku, along with a short write up by the judges.
3. The entries can be by a single artist providing both senryu and image, OR any form of collaboration between artists. Please be sure to include complete attribution to both images and poems with your entry.
4. Only TWO entries per artist, and collaborations will count toward both artist's totals.
5. All entries can be sent in either JPG or PNG formats, and should be of a high quality.
6. In the email containing your entry please tell us 'briefly' about how the image was
created.
7. Entries should be original work that has not appeared in any edited journal, but work that
has been displayed on social media or personal websites ARE acceptable.
8. All entries will be sent by email to:  reichholdhaiga@haikuhut.com  ONLY.
9. Entries will ONLY be received from September 15 to September 30 at Midnight Eastern
Time. Any entries received earlier or later will NOT be judged.
10. The judges will render their final decisions by October 25th, and the winners will be
notified shortly thereafter.

Jane Reichhold was a poet/artist who worked in every form of haiga, some of which can be found at her site: AHA Poetry. A short memorial for her is posted at Under the Basho, with a link to her own long body of work. Jane inspired many, and we hope she will continue to inspire. Some of her own haiga can be found at her site: http://www.ahapoetry.com/h_haiga.html

Steve Hodge and Michael Rehling

Alan p.s.
Living Haiku Anthology:  http://livinghaikuanthology.com/searchsite.html?q=Reichhold&Search=&t%5B%5D=&t%5B%5D=&t%5B%5D=&t%5B%5D=&t%5B%5D=&t%5B%5D=




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Update about this wonderful journal and where it is archived:

Viewing:
http://livinghaikuanthology.com/library-shelf/journals.html

PDF downloads:
http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/omeka/items/show/1313


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Many thanks Sandra, deeply appreciated.

warm regards,

Alan

Quote from: sandra on August 06, 2016, 05:34:55 PM
Hi Alan and Lorraine,

With Jane's permission I transcribed part of her talk and we formed it into an article for Haiku NewZ, 'Building an Excellent Birdcage' that was posted in June 2009. You may access the article here:
http://www.poetrysociety.org.nz/node/408

I will also include the link to the Archived Articles section as a whole, because there are other pieces by Jane available there: http://www.poetrysociety.org.nz/aboutarchivedhaikuarticles

I had the great good fortune to meet Jane on July 9, our first face-to-face meeting, although we had known one another by email for some years. I wrote about that meeting shortly after it happened for a post on my blog, Postcard from Gualala.

It was with a heavy heart that yesterday I posted a personal, and therefore inadequate, appreciation of Jane's life. Find both posts here: https://breathhaiku.wordpress.com/

Best wishes,
Sandra Simpson

I doubt there is a transcript available online alas.

I think you can download the video if you subscribe on this site:
http://library.fora.tv/2009/04/23/Haiku_of_Master_Basho_Jane_Reichhold

Or add each segment to Profile, though I'm not a subscriber, so not sure what that entails:
http://library.fora.tv/2009/04/23/Haiku_of_Master_Basho_Jane_Reichhold

Though you can enjoy these eBooks gratis from Jane:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4crb3mgxkJJVTNESzZpczFXNDA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4crb3mgxkJJeU1GckZQeWNtYU0/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4crb3mgxkJJX2pKNkhXTlpWN3c/view

You will be surprised by how much Jane did in her years, and without a great song and dance.  A modest person, and a wonderful friend and colleague:
http://culturecatch.com/literary/fumiko-nakajo
https://www.amazon.com/Jane-Reichhold/e/B0034PTGYY

Enjoy a substantial sample:
https://www.overdrive.com/media/549951/a-string-of-flowers-untied

Jane was an unusual and skilled artist:
http://beadsnjane.blogspot.co.uk/2015_03_01_archive.html

kind regards,

Alan

Quote from: Lorraine Pester on August 06, 2016, 02:08:50 PM

Quote from: Alan Summers on August 05, 2016, 05:16:28 AM
It is with deep sadness that I hear of Jane Reichhold's passing away.

More news will come in the next few days.

Jane was one of those generous people we come across at a good time in our lives.

Here is Jane talking about appreciation, haiku, and Basho:
http://itmodelbook.com/whitepapers-haiku-of-master-basho-jane-reichhold.aspx

Jane enters at 2 minutes 3 seconds.

warm regards,

Alan

Alan,
I thought it important for you to know how immensely I enjoyed the above video. I was only acquainted with Jane through her essays. I would appreciate knowing if you know of a pdf transcript of this video, or how I could make one. Perhaps its contained somehow in the digital library here at THF? I looked but could not find one.