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Contests and Awards / Results 2nd Modern Kigo Contest
« on: June 15, 2022, 05:22:02 PM »
The 2nd Modern Kigo Project Competition
‘SPRING Season’ 2022 WINNERS


JUDGES’ COMMENTS:
(Réka Nyitrai & Alan Peat)


https://haikubasecamp.wordpress.com/2022/06/16/the-2nd-modern-kigo-project-competition/



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Other Haiku News / Desert Rain
« on: June 02, 2022, 11:12:52 AM »
Desert Rain

Haiku Nook: An Anthology

ed. Jacob Salzer & Nook editorial staff
May 2022

Dedicated to haiku poet Martha Magenta (1949-2020) &
the 600+ million people who don't have access to clean water:

https://jsalzer.wixsite.com/desertrain

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Other Haiku News / Re: Don't read haiku!
« on: May 01, 2022, 06:58:08 AM »
Thank you!

I'm getting more and more poets new or or newish to try the deconstruct method.

warm regards,
Alan


Very interesting. I enjoyed reading this interview, Alan. Thank you for sharing.

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Other Haiku News / Don't read haiku!
« on: April 04, 2022, 09:28:26 AM »
Rachna Singh in conversation with Alan Summers
https://www.thewiseowl.art/tete-a-tete-alan-summers

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Contests and Awards / aha haiku results!
« on: March 07, 2022, 04:05:25 AM »
The United Haiku and Tanka Society aha Haiku contest results are announced:
http://theunitedhaikuandtankasociety.com/aha-Guidelines/RESULTS/?fbclid=IwAR3nBkO0p-IOqq7H7_SRSVDTVME-WKg3lFla_iNfUBSmfGfKcjyc8LrJUes

Congratulations to everyone who is placed, and to all the poets sending around 1000 haiku that made this contest so successful and rewarding!

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Other Haiku News / Call of the Page supports Ukraine
« on: February 24, 2022, 05:26:25 PM »
Call of the Page supports the sovereignty of Ukraine and feels for the innocent Russian people, and all those also those countries threatened by the new Soviet Union ambitions.

Call of the Page
https://www.callofthepage.org

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Other Haiku News / FREE event expanded!
« on: January 31, 2022, 05:41:54 PM »
Yay! Originally a sold out event, due to popular demand, the zoom audience capacity has been expanded! This is also a FREE event!

Photography and Haiku Poetry with Alan Summers and Karen Hoy

DATE AND TIME
Wednesday March 30th 2022
7pm - 8.30pm UK time
FREE
Virtual Meeting

https://rps.org/events/regions/east-midlands/2022/march/photography-and-haiku-poetry-with-alan-summers-and-karen-hoy/?fbclid=IwAR1dn88vjXglkGXKfwZ3wZvQRHCYK2muS6VwGE-g-2jd0X6t64IDBefMWH8

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In-Depth Haiku: Free Discussion Area / Re: sine qua non
« on: November 19, 2021, 01:21:03 PM »
Hi Billy,
Ah Shearsman, so possible we know certain poets in common re London, Bradford on Avon, City of Bath etc...

You said, about the quoted poems:
"In their own way, I think they are juxtaposing, but they may not be haiku. The first sets virus and bird together to produce an image; in the second the idea of a peter pandemic is a kind of metaphor, as pandemics of people don't literally exist.

For me they both lack one basic aspect of any poem, which is to do with the sounds they make. There's no real music, for me t least."


Both are about viruses, one is Avian Flu, and the other one is Covid-19 and family. The second one might refer to the infamous British Health Minister (for various reasons) who was called Peter Pandemic:
https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1282441/Charlie-Brooker-Antiviral-Wipe-Matt-Hancock-Peter-Pandemic-joke-BBC-video

Haiku is a peculiar bird, to continue with the bird theme, and is a genre but has form (pun intended) and an invisible form more potent than its perceived external form. Also, is haiku poetry, or prose, or in-between, or its own thing entirely? I'm talking about non-Japanese haikai of course, which often has its own musical shape.

Both haiku would fit easily into other types of poetry, to my mind, and even provide lyrical support to a song or two. But haiku are or derived from starting stanzas, so they are deliberate in their incompleteness, where the rest used to be within the following verse and despite losing linear narrative, would continue as ghost rhythm throughout the rest of the renga or renku poem.

Alan



Billy Mills says: For me, one thing that all good haiku do is to produce an analogy by means of juxtaposition, two or more (usually two) disparate things brought together that open the readers mind in some way.

So, for you, would you say the following two examples, since they do not provide a juxtaposition of two disparate things, are not haiku? And please note, I am not disputing the merit of each piece. Buit just trying to be clear, and further the conversation.



from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird
                                     Johnannes Bjerg

exit wendy from the peter pandemic
                        Lorin Ford

In their own way, I think they are juxtaposing, but they may not be haiku. The first sets virus and bird together to produce an image; in the second the idea of a peter pandemic is a kind of metaphor, as pandemics of people don't literally exist.

For me they both lack one basic aspect of any poem, which is to do with the sounds they make. There's no real music, for me t least.

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In-Depth Haiku: Free Discussion Area / Re: sine qua non
« on: November 19, 2021, 01:11:23 PM »
Hi Dmitri,

re the poems below:

Billy Mills says: For me, one thing that all good haiku do is to produce an analogy by means of juxtaposition, two or more (usually two) disparate things brought together that open the readers mind in some way.

So, for you, would you say the following two examples, since they do not provide a juxtaposition of two disparate things, are not haiku? And please note, I am not disputing the merit of each piece. Buit just trying to be clear, and further the conversation.



from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird
                                     Johnannes Bjerg

exit wendy from the peter pandemic
                        Lorin Ford

I don't love them, and are they innovative, or innovative enough, to be in the Haiku 2021 anthology? That's an interesting question.

Another question might be, is this one.

Do Japanese haiku, and I don't mean hokku, but Japanese haiku that 'started' in the 1890s, that didn't really get going, despite the Black Ships, until World War Two, really stand up to Western or non-Japanese haiku standards, rules, guidelines, or dictats, opinions etc...?

Here's two haiku, or are they haiku?


short winter day things inside the examination room

winter grass stepping on something strange


re the two quoted haiku, and we need to give the correct spelling and presentation of the Danish poet's name:

from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird
                                     Johannes S.H. Bjerg

exit wendy from the peter pandemic
                        Lorin Ford


I feel the one by Bjerg is more of a level one shasei, but with a nod to the other levels.

Is the break, cut, or juxtaposition here?

i.e.

from her chair by the window // she says the virus is a bird

Who is the narrator, is it the author, or the author capturing another person, or acting as a reliable or unreliable narrator etc...?

Is the first 'half' a context setting by the narrator or narrator-protagonist or poem's author, and the second  half by the narrator only?

I can easily see that the person has mistakenly got the details about avian flu incorrect, see my earlier post, and blurred bad news reporting and conspiracy and less detailed research into one, or perhaps the "the virus is a bird" is just that, Avian Flu?

We have certainly seen some bizarre attitudes and definitions and opinions about the current pandemic and its siblings are similar.

Which leads us to the next one.

exit wendy from the peter pandemic
                        Lorin Ford

Intriguingly both poets have also been co-editors, albeit in two different journals, go figure.

It has overt vertical axis, so nods to Shirane's groundbreaking article and book about the spurious haiku moment, as well as alerting us to depth to our haiku, and literary allusions.

Are they musical? Well it might depend on your definition of music. Both verses definitely have rhythm:

from her chair / by the window/  she says the virus / is a bird

ex it wen dy from the pet er pan de mic


I'd say the first one is a complete rhythmic unit though the second one feels it requires a continuance, which is normal in any poem.

It's been said, and I won't quote sources, that experienced Japanese haikai poets (hokku and haiku) do not require "kire" as in they do not need to incorporate kireji.

As non-Japanese haiku poets, surely we don't require juxtaposition then? It's just an option. We have options for haiku just as much as someone has an option to write a prose novel or a verse novel with or without certain poetic devices etc...

So are we only talking about non-Japanese haiku, and do we only give examples of Japanese hokku but not Japanese haiku?

Three great writers helped promote make certain current languages the main language.
We have hokku writer and renga and renku expert Basho (Japanese over Chinese courtly language) and Chaucer and Shakespeare making English the lead language over French etc...

The game is afoot (Shakespeare), and murder will out (‘Mordre wol out' around 1290 which Chaucer used twice to great effect).


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In-Depth Haiku: Free Discussion Area / Re: sine qua non
« on: November 19, 2021, 06:51:37 AM »
Hi Billy,

Are you the Irish poet published by Shearsman, or the Irish poet published by Dedalus Press? Or both! <grin>

https://www.shearsman.com/store/Billy-Mills-Lares-Manes-Collected-Poems-p102838971
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/nov/07/poem-of-the-week-billy-mills

seven of your lockdown haiku from your ongoing Very Far After project[/b]
Local Wonders: Poems of our immediate surrounds (17th November) Dedalus Press
https://www.dedaluspress.com/product/local-wonders/


An analogy re haiku is interesting, I do see this a lot, if you mean this definition:
a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification

The frog hokku reminds me of the Queenslander I rented, with frogs outside in and around the plastic tubing and regularly appearing in my toilet bowl, where I had to rescue them. Lovely critters.

Was the frog or frogs (we don't know) and pond all imaginary though? But yes, one thing causing a sound in or on another thing and oddly becoming one is both intriguing and unsettling, a bit like roadkill, or the Aussie season when car drivers would try to flatten as many cane toads as possible. Ugly critters, with half a dozen deadly toxins in their back that could eject as far as six feet, but rather fond of them too. But they became one with the road, which was a horrible sight. And the same for kangaroos in the Northern Territory while driving at night with big vehicles, coaches or road trains, where they became one with the wheel arches and you had to stop and scrape them off.

I guess due to the unusual brevity (after all haiku came from a starting stanza) it produces unusual effects such as "near-metaphor/simile" without even trying?

warm regards,
Alan

Hi all, new to the forum but not to haiku.

For me, one thing that all good haiku do is to produce an analogy by means of juxtaposition, two or more (usually two) disparate things brought together that open the readers mind in some way.

And this is not achieved in the standard western modes of simile or metaphor, the frog is not like the sound of water, neither is the sound of water identified as the frog. The frog and the water coexist, and by being present in the same haiku space, they create a new whole, a complex image of (part of) the world that leads the reader to a third element, silence as defined by sound.

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In-Depth Haiku: Free Discussion Area / Re: sine qua non
« on: November 18, 2021, 10:58:25 AM »
To avoid further confusion over Haiku 21: an anthology of contemporary English-language haiku (published in 2011) and Haiku 2021 (published in 2021), here is the link to the current anthology we are discussing:
https://www.modernhaiku.org/mhbooks/Haiku2021.html


re the 100 best haiku by 100 haiku writers anthologies (booklets) by Scott Metz & Lee Gurga (Modern Haiku Press) I will have to declare that although I did not appear in the full anthology “Haiku 21: an anthology of contemporary English-language haiku” (2021) I did appear both in the Haiku 2014, and many of the subsequent ones, including this year’s Haiku 2021 (Modern Haiku Press 2021).





thunder
I slide a kigo
into the gun

Alan Summers
First publication credit: tinywords 20.2 (November 2020)

Anthology: Haiku 2021 ed. Scott Metz & Lee Gurga (Modern Haiku Press, 2021)

Feature:
2021 Southern California Haiku Study Group Zoom Presentation

Feature: re:Virals 283 (February 2021)
The Haiku Foundation’s weekly poem commentary feature on some of the finest haiku ever written in English: https://thehaikufoundation.org/revirals-282/

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night crows
the haystacks lose
their moonlight

Alan Summers
Publication Credit:  Wild Plum 1:1 (Spring & Summer 2015)

Anthology Credits:
Haiku 2016 ed. Scott Metz & Lee Gurga (Modern Haiku Press, 2016)
Behind the Tree Line ed. Gabriel Sawicki (2015)


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night of small colour
a part of the underworld
becomes one heron

Alan Summers
Publication Credit: Modern Haiku Vol. 45.2  Summer 2014 ed. Paul Miller
Feature: Brass Bell Showcase: Alan Summers (July 2015)

Anthology credits:
Haiku 2015 (Modern Haiku Press, 2015) ed. Lee Gurga and Scott Metz
Yanty’s Butterfly Haiku Nook: An Anthology (2016)
Poetry as Consciousness - Haiku Forests, Space of Mind, and an Ethics of Freedom
Author: Richard Gilbert  Illustrator: Sabine Miller. ISBN978-4-86330-189-4  Pub. Keibunsha (2018, Japan)



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ground zero into the new friend's story

Publication credit:
Masks 4 (Roadrunner 12.3 – December 2012) ed. Scott Metz

Anthology credits:
in fear of dancing: The Red Moon Anthology of English-Language Haiku 2013
Haiku 2014 ed. Scott Metz & Lee Gurga, Modern Haiku Press, 2014
(Joint Winner, The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award 2014)


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Regarding:
“Can't remember who said it, but is it true then that haiku is whatever (someone) wants it to be?”

It’s become a meme now, or an urban myth. If it reflected reality hardly anyone would be allowed to write haiku from the 1890s (when it first started) onwards.


re:
“I do wonder what others think, but I see, as others have noted, that discussions of this sort are a thing of the past.”


Everything is the past, even right now, scientifically proven. We exist in the past in many ways, perhaps striving to attain the present?

re:
“This is kind of what I am getting at, but rather than ask what is someone's definition of haiku, I am asking if there is some element without which it is not haiku. Maybe the questions are one and the same in th end.”

Paraphrasing you:
[Is there] some element without which it is not haiku.

I am sure there is.

If a journal refused to publish a submission, and some have had rejections of over 100 times, though eventually been taken, that could be considered one criteria.

But who sits as judge over all of us and the poems we consider as haiku?

Rather than see the negative about haiku, I like to see how each person makes a poem sing, and gets me to gladly recognise it as a haiku.

warm regards,
Alan



p.s.

I hope others respond whether you have been reading/writing haiku only recently or for a number of years.


Alan, I appreciate your generosity and enthusiasm.

I should have been more clear: the anthology from which I drew the haiku is the recent
Haiku 2021. A random sampling of poems that some will some won't consider haiku I'm guessing.

I presented the Brad Bennett piece first as it appeared, next as an alternative way it could be read,
a technique many use, providing ambiguity in how a haiku may be read.

You write:

Is it haiku?

Well it depends on our individual definitions of haiku or definitions and rules set out by others.


This is kind of what I am getting at, but rather than ask what is someone' definition of haiku, I am asking if there is some element without which it is not haiku. Maybe the questions are one and the same in th end.

But you bring up an interesting thing when you say "it depends on our individual definitions". Can't remember who said it, but is it true then that haiku is whatever (someone) wants it to be?

I do wonder what others think, but I see, as others have noted, that discussions of this sort are a thing of the past.

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In-Depth Haiku: Free Discussion Area / Re: sine qua non
« on: November 18, 2021, 06:01:17 AM »
From Haiku 2014, the first addition to Haiku 21.
https://www.modernhaiku.org/mhbooks/Haiku2014.html

Haiku 2014
Modern Haiku Press
Winner of the Haiku Foundation Touchstone Award.

The anthology booklet contains some great quotes about the mother anthology Haiku 21: an anthology of contemporary English-language haiku

"a public nuisance"

Klaus-Dieter Wirth
Chrysanthemum Nr. 13. April 2013
http://www.chrysanthemum-haiku.net/media/Chrysanthemum_13.pdf


"21st century haiku tottering around the nihilistic vortex at the edge of the future."

anonymous reviewer

"This sea change may simply leave some poets at sea."

Michael Dylan Welch, Modern Haiku 43.2
http://www.modernhaiku.org/bookreviews/Haiku21-2011.html


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In-Depth Haiku: Free Discussion Area / Re: sine qua non
« on: November 18, 2021, 05:22:13 AM »
Okay, I’ll look at Brad Bennett’s haiku. There seem to be two versions offered by you?

where potholes were sparrows     

where potholes were—
sparrows


I recall publishing a haiku about sparrows dustbathing, as it used to be a common site down lanes and residential roads, in my childhood. As I lost a lot of records due to a laptop being stolen, it’s gone, but this reminded me of my own haiku.

It feels like a Summer haiku to me, and a straightforward haiku, so I’ll see about something that isn’t.


from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird
Johannes S. H. Bjerg

Johannes S. H. Bjerg:
http://www.worldhaiku.net/poetry/denmark/BJERG.PDF


Undefinable
by Johannes S. H. Bjerg
https://livinghaikuanthology.com/poets-on-haiku/defining-haiku/3182-undefinable-by-johannes-s-h-bjerg.html


This preempts covid-19 and its varients, but we did have bird flu at least twice in the 20th Century.

Stigma
Backyard poultry production was viewed as "traditional Asian" agricultural practices that contrasted with modern commercial poultry production and seen as a threat to biosecurity. Backyard production appeared to hold greater risk than commercial production due to lack of biosecurity and close contact with humans, though HPAI spread in intensively raised flocks was greater due to high density rearing and genetic homogeneity. Asian culture itself was blamed as the reason why certain interventions, such as those that only looked at placed-based interventions, would fail without looking for a multifaceted solutions.”


As Bjerg is Danish, I’m guessing this refers to 2020 in particular:

Bird Flu in 2020

By the end of 2020 several outbreaks of Avian flu of various varieties were reported in Europe. Since mid-October several European countries, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden, and the United Kingdom have reported outbreaks of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) viruses, mostly in wild birds.

Both quotes from “Avian influenza” WIKIPEDIA


NHS site (National Health Service, UK)

Bird flu, or avian flu, is an infectious type of influenza that spreads among birds. In rare cases, it can affect humans.

There are lots of different strains of bird flu virus. Most of them don't infect humans. But there are 4 strains that have caused concern in recent years:
H5N1 (since 1997)
H7N9 (since 2013)
H5N6 (since 2014)
H5N8 (since 2016)


We know, from covid-19, how isolated many people were, even moreso than in the pre-covid-19 ‘abnormal’ existance we lived, nothing was ever normal.

re:
from her chair by the window she says the virus is a bird


Johannes S. H. Bjerg (Denmark)

This could be someone elderly, isolated, relying on the news media, and getting facts wrong amongst the scaremongering, racism, biased news outlets perhaps.

An armchair traveller witnessing the tsunami on television, just a fairly big wave at first, then all the various viruses etc… from avian flu, swine flu, coronovirus etc…

It feels deeply poignant and filled with vertical axis.

Is it haiku?

Well it depends on our individual definitions of haiku or definitions and rules set out by others.

As an anthologist we need to look beyond the policing of creative writing, poetry, haiku etc…

This could even be said to be the first level of shasei, which is seeing something firsthand (chair by the window) and sketching in words something seen (in this case a mix of television news, and birds outside, in trees and in the sky).

Just a few thoughts.

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