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Hello Lorraine , Anna or anyone else who reads this,

I am by no means an expert in haiku however i know that "gendai" is just a label for so called modern haiku.
in Richard Gilbert's quote in the archives of this site, the following definition has been offered "Gendai haiku means literally 'modern or contemporary haiku' and loosely refers to expansive ideas of the haiku form arising from the 1920's on... etc"

http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/2009/06/20/gendai-haiku/

In all honesty much as I dearly love haiku much of what I read ( and write myself) seems to draw on the past more than the future.

Hi Sandra,

Thank you so much for your reply.
I have read your articles on Haiku NZ and visit the website every month to keep up to date with global haiku news.
I have read your articles on the issue of plagiarism and also read Micheal Dylan Welch's response with much interest.

I appreciate that there are grey areas and certainly we share a lot of personal experiences as writers so subject matter will overlap. We also read the same journals and can easily be influenced by other poets work.

The haiku community, in my opinion, is rather unique as it seems to consist within an inner circle that very occasionally overlaps with the larger poetry community worldwide.

I acknowledge that there is a sense of trust amongst most of the community yet at the same time I wonder if sometimes its sometimes taken advantage of by those who are publication hungry, ignorant or simply dishonest?

I think haiku writers need to be aware of searching for our own unique voice and with every haiku we submit for publication, ask ourselves the question, have I read this before?

Best Regards,

Jennifer

Thanks for your response Anna.

I can honestly say that being Australian myself, "demanding candy" is not a common phrase in Australia.

What is referred to as candy in the USA is what we call "lollies" here in Aus.

Should I ever have the misfortune to commit deja-ku, I would hope that some one would bring my attention to it so at the very least I could apologise to the original poet.

There seems to be an increasingly common occurrence in the haiku community and I for one think it's reasonable to raise discussions around this topic and state the names of poets where examples are discovered on this Haiku Foundation forum or any other.

I have had the misfortune of having had someone plagiarise my own haiku ( and have it published) so know how it feels.  Just let's say that if I ever meet that poet, well  he won't forget meeting ...

I thought the title of my comment explained the context of the post.

Yes there are two haiku.

The first written by Leroy Gorman and reasonably well known.

The second submitted by Mary Hind has been published recently on Mianichi news.

The subject matter is not only the same but there is a direct repeat of line 3.

Is this déjà-ku or a rip off of Gorman's senryu?

( reference Micheal Dylan Welch's extensive articles on dejaku on Graceguts)

the original -

no way out
Deaths at the door
demanding candy

- Leroy Gorman





Halloween
a witch with dental braces
demanding candy


Mary Hind ( Melbourne Australia)
Mianichi news.japan Dec 1st 2016

Congratulations Don,
I look forward to reading it  :)

Best wishes to you ,

Jen Sutherland

Thanks Don and congratulations!

Your photos are beautiful and worked perfectly with each haiku.
Very inspirational !


Kind Regards & happy new year to Maria & yourself   :)

Jennifer