If a collection of haiku is displayed as with others in a public gallery, does this count as being previously publiished please ?
The copyright guide is vague at best unless you have enough money to buy a good lawyer.
Generally, if you make lots of $$$ off what you write and don't plagarize your OK, but, see statement one.
I know that if someone say on facebook takes your work you can pretty much roast them on facebook if you catch them.
I know I feel obligated if I see such on facebook, I'll do a shout out on all my sites.
If you do use by accident or intent a pre-published as new work in the haiku community it may surface because the community is relatively small. Then it may not for the same reason.
I doubt that contests that supply a monetary gain for your work may have time enough to find if this work is new when not, but, as I believe it impractical.
Actually, I am most happy to feel that we as a whole are honorable, but, may be forgetful ;D
ciao
Chibi, thank you for your detailed reply but I am still not clear, perhaps my question lacked clarity, sorry. - if submissions are accepted for an anthology, a magazine or a book, clearly they are published.
However if submissions are requested and accepted to be hung on display in local public gallery or event, with each haiku poets bio several of their haiku - is it actually the same thing as being published ? Can we quote it as a publication ?
Hi Gael,
You mean if your haiku are on physical display in a public area or an area open to the public that have never been published in a magazine, anthology, or printed feature in a newspaper etc...?
If so, I think only if they are photographed by the Press and published in a newspaper or glossy magazine, can they be considered published, otherwise they are unpublished work used in public event.
Public events where you use your haiku as examples is quite different to publications unless a newpaper or national (or local) glossy magazine print them.
Alan
Hello, Gael,
I have absolutely no real idea what I'm talking about, just speculating . . .
Is exhibition/art the same as publication/writing? If so, wouldn't an exhibit of haiku, since it's a public viewing, mean that the haiku were "published"? (Someone who could probably sort this out would be a haiga artist/poet.)
I suppose two separate issues are: Can the exhibited haiku be submitted to a journal for publication? (Various editors have various viewpoints on what constitutes "publication".) And, can one claim the exhibition as a publishing credit? (I would say that would be okay as long as one listed them as "Exhibited at such-and-such a gallery" and not as "published".)
The one thing I do know is, if it were a haiku (or several) that I really liked, I would seriously consider whether or not I wanted to put them in an exhibition, or whether I'd want to hold onto them and submit them to a good journal. And then I'd send them to the journal.
cat
Thank you Alan, that clarifies it for me, here is the link that sparked the question
http://miriamswell.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/open-space-haiku-call-for-submissions/
submissions wanted
for traditional haiku -
Open Space
??? ??? ;D
Sandra thank you for sharing your thoughts, mine were similar.
Hi Gael
Yes I saw Miriam's post about this too. :-)
Firstly, because it's someone else's event and exhibition which will display the work and is specifically written for that event I would consider any work submitted as published.
I've organized dozens and dozens of live events and exhibitions, and they all have their different aspects.
One method I used that doubled up as an outdoor exhibition, and signage, was displaying several hundred of my haiku, and Karen Hoy's, on simple strips of typing paper to trees, shrubs, and bushes.
The wind and rain would delightfully help the narrow strips to deteriorate, but not before several hundred people would pause to read many of them.
I'd say 99 per cent were published but because of the brief life of these strips the 1 per cent would probabally be unpublished as they were not photographed for my my blog, or shown in newspapers etc...
Oh, so does published include self-published ? I know many people do these days.
Hi Gael ;-)
If you mean by self-published that you have produced your own book of poetry and sold or given those books to friends, family and the general public and maybe promoted the book online and or in the press etc then I'd say they are published.
Also individual poems in public exhibitions and newspapers including poetry corners, then they are published.
It's best as you produce more to have them published in magazines and/or online places such as tinywords.com; Herons Nest; haijinx; Notes from the Gean etc...
Are there other methods you have self-published that I may have overlooked? :-)
Alan
Hi and Happy Holidays to everyone...
Ok, this may sound a little unorthodox and would not apply to everyone's aesthetics or situation, but, I usually forget most of the short poems I write. In fact, (and I forget what master said) I just release them and go on. Maybe it was from Mork from Ork ::) "fly - be FREE!" (if so, thank you Robin Williams, incase there is a copyright on that). ;D
Sorry, I know this is a serious topic... but, HO HO HO!
To be honest Alan I have not self-published at all, I write other poetry too not just haiku, and have loads of work unpublished, I am a full time carer and have been for the last six years which is 24 x 7 day week and often nights too, my mother is heavily dependent and needs a nursing home on breaks not just a rest home. it leaves little time to pursue publishing goals I guess I have put it off thinking when I am no longer caring I can get organised....and time has slipped by. Before taking on the caring role I had quite a few published, I know i should make time but it's easier said than done. ;) These days one is expected to get out and promote one's poetry, in the present economic situation there is very little money for respite breaks to enable me to do that, both brothers live abroad so there's no family support to hand either. Meanwhile I enjoy snatched moments to write when I sit down for a coffee break and when my mother is asleep. Thank you for your thoughtful suggestions. I hesitate in case a publisher wants more than I can realistically give at the moment, but perhaps my new year resolution should be to squeeze in getting some work published again. :)
Lol Chibi I sometimes have difficulty finding mine, it's good to release... for we need space for the next poem. Happy hols to you too. ;D
Hello, Gael,
Why don't you look into some of the chapbook competitions? They don't require as many haiku and they state plainly upfront how many they want. You won't get into it and find out the commitment is bigger than you thought, because the requirements are all laid out ahead of time.
cat
Cat thank you for that sensible suggestion, I guess the only way to find out if work has that sort of merit is to give it a try. :)
Hi Alan:
As far as your question about other methods of self-publishing ...
I like to participate in some of the haiku groups on Twitter like #haikuchallenge. I've assumed that anything I post to Twitter is published (I know some publications don't mind, but many do). So, I opted to collect all of my Twitter poems and put them in a blog, just for safe keeping. Many of them are just rough outlines of things I might like to polish out later (like the snow at dawn poem) but I wanted to collect them because I figured I'd lose track of them otherwise and I figured since they were published anyway, I might as well reprint them.
As for prior publications - I know that if you've previously published a piece in a journal and it gets reprinted, the second publisher usually mentions the first. If you publish with a third publisher (I haven't done that yet!), do they reference both previous publications or just the first one?
Thanks --
Julie B. K.
(jublke)
Julie, an interesting question, I don't know perhaps some more experienced poets here may be able to give you an answer
Hello, Julie,
I don't know as there's a hard-and-fast rule -- but I would give the poem's entire publishing history when I submitted it and let the editor handle it the way his/her publication does the listing.
cat
Cat's reply is good. :-)
I tend to show all publication credits even if an editor only shows the first credit.
I think you've probably got all of the answers you need, Gael, and I might be repeating what others have said.
"If a collection of haiku is displayed as with others in a public gallery, does this count as being previously publiished please ?" - Gael
If your question is in relation to the 'first rights' clause that many poetry (including haiku) journals have, then I would say that this wouldn't always count as 'previously published'. It would depend on the editor/ managing editor of the particular journal. Caveats, though: only if displayed for a limited time in a specific place, if not printed on a catalogue or other promotion material and if not posted on the gallery's or whatever's website.
If you wanted to submit haiku that had been exhibited anywhere but not printed for distribution in any form or displayed on a website, what I'd advise you to do is include 'full disclosure' within your submission & cover letter, eg: 'exhibited at Mary's Gallery, St. Ambrose's Girl's College Open Day, Melbourne Botanical Gardens Tree Poem exhibition' etc., followed by date of the exhibition's opening and closing...eg. 4th March -- 20th April. 2009 , or the like, and add something like 'not previously published in any form in print or online'.
That would allow the journal's editor or managing editor to decide for themselves whether the spirit of the first rights policy would be contravened by considering your work. Such policies are not in place to make things hard for honest people. They are in place to attempt to prevent the recycling of 'old' poems, poems published in books, chapbooks, anthologies etc. or posted on the internet in a place where the general public has access, eg via google or large audiences such as facebook and also to try to prevent 'simultaneous submissions' which could eventuate in the same work appearing in different journals.
In the event that you wanted to acknowledge (in your own chapbook for instance) work that has been exhibited or performed, but not published , it'd be good to say 'appeared in the such & such exhibition',' performed at such & such festival' plus dates, rather than 'published in'....
Performance on radio or tv is another matter, and is archived, so such work is definitely considered published. Reading your haiku around your local poetry traps or a haiku meeting or festival etc. isn't considered to be published, unless the performance is being recorded in any way, in which case it is considered published.
- Lorin
ps, missed this:
"Oh, so does published include self-published ?"
Most definitely, it does. What does 'published' mean? It means made available to the general public.
Julie's 'twitter' has a large enough audience to be considered 'general public'. Storing your work on a blog is also self-publishing. If the blog can be found by google, and the poems can be read there, of course the general public have access. You need to decide what's most important to you, getting 'hits' on your blog or having unpublished work you can legitimately submit to journals. What journal would want to publish as 'first publication' a poem that is already available to the general public on your blog?
Also, when a poem is republished, such as selected for an anthology, it's the place of first publication which is acknowledged/ credited in any subsequent publication.
It's a matter of using reason. If you put your unpublished haiku on a handmade Christmas card and send it to a few friends and family, well, strictly speaking, it's published, but I doubt very much if most editors would be very concerned about that. Full disclosure within your submission is always the best way to go.
- Lorin
interesting , thank you for sharing that Lorin. :)