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Title: haiku now results
Post by: H. Gene Murtha on February 04, 2014, 11:37:02 PM
Traditional category:

John Hawkhead's poem "snowflakes falling,"
is this an example of a 5-7-5 haiku?   
Title: Re: haiku now results
Post by: AlanSummers on February 05, 2014, 04:01:52 AM
Dear Gene,

I'm giving the whole haiku and the weblink so that THF readers may consider:

snowflakes falling
on the child's upturned face
the stillness of stars

john hawkhead

http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/haikunow-awards-for-2013/

What is considered traditional haiku by HaikuNow! is here:
http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/haikunow-traditional-haiku/#trad_examples


Quote from: H. Gene Murtha on February 04, 2014, 11:37:02 PM
Traditional category:

John Hawkhead's poem "snowflakes falling,"
is this an example of a 5-7-5 haiku?   
Title: Re: haiku now results
Post by: H. Gene Murtha on February 05, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
Yes, i am familiar with the THF's definition of a
traditional haiku, and very familiar with Paul
Mena's award winning poem.  I was curious
because i am reading a 4-6-5 syllable haiku:

snow/flakes fall/ing
on the child's up/turned face
the still/ness of stars

No doubt the enclosed poem is beautiful.

Thank you for your time Alan!
Title: Re: haiku now results
Post by: cat on March 22, 2014, 07:05:45 AM
Gene, I share your curiosity about this, because the guidelines in the Traditional Haiku category clearly state:

. . . the traditional approach to haiku in English—three lines, 5-7-5 syllables [emphasis added], with a caesura after the first line emphasized by a dash.

cat
Title: Re: haiku now results
Post by: Don Baird on June 04, 2014, 11:53:30 PM
snowflakes falling
on the child's upturned face
the stillness of stars

john hawkhead


While this haiku doesn't conform exactly with the 575 suggested meter, it is a beautiful example of a traditional haiku. It is missing the kire-ji but not a kire (imho). It is slightly off meter, but Basho frequented the idea of meter variance. He wrote to his student Biji, that if there is a forced choice between meter and content, the content is what counts (paraphrase, but an accurate interpretation from memory).

I think we should keep our eyes on the quality of the poems and not the exacting enforcement of rules. Each judge has a fair amount of "license" to pick the best haiku. That includes considering a variation to the rules/guides as Basho would also suggest.

I'm pondering a few ways to re-write the instructions so that it becomes clearer for next year's competition. I'll forward some ideas to Jim Kacian for consideration.

Thanks for bringing up your concerns, however. I know that it is extremely important to Jim, as it is to the contestants, to maintain the most appropriate and fair contest possible.

I'll keep you posted.

Blessings,

Don